BMW driver side door of my car can not close

if so do they need any modification. I have always said that I believed that they would, but never knew for sure, however I did know that the window should not close properly

So given the opportunity I thought that I would try it for myself and try to document it

The short answer is You have to open it first

 

An E12 with E12 Doors

 

 

An E12 with E28 doors

 

Note the trim differences below

 

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So the doors fit, but obviously they would have to be changed in pairs, ie both OS or both NS, and the E12 centre chrome B Pillar trim has to be removed, but are there any other differences ??

note that the points detailed below refer to E12 cars after 1976, as the earlier doors have subtle differences to even the later E12's

 

Exterior Door Handles

These are chrome on the E12 but black on the E28, but they are the same shape and mounting detail so are easily swapped over

Mirrors

These are identical to both cars, even the electric connections

Door rubbing strips

These are wider on the E28 but use the same mounting clips as the E12 so again a straight swap

Interior door trims

These need a little more work, as the door pull is mounted slightly differently, but all the E12 holes are present in the E28's, the trim cards are a completely different design, but will swap over quite easily with their corresponding clips

Interior door handles

These are a completely different style, mounting detail and rod arrangement, but are easily swapped over from the E12 to the E28

 

Door Strikers and lock Mechanism

These are identical to both cars

Central Locking solenoids

These are different to both cars and are mounted in different places, but apart from a difference in the electrical plug connectors, either type will work in either door with modification to the electrical connector

Electric Windows

They use the same mechanism in both cars, but they have a different electrical plug connector on each one, either type will work in either door with modification to the electrical connector

Window Glass

This is the same in both cars, but there may be slight differences in the Tint colour's

Doors Seals

These are fundamentally the same shape but due to the differing trim detail, they clip in differently around the window frame, so you must use an E12 rubber on an E12 Door and likewise an E28 rubber on an E28 door, but otherwise no problems

 

Door check straps

These are identical to both cars

Window rubbers and seals

These are identical to both cars

Others

There are various other improvements that were made to the E28 doors to help with wind noise and sound proofing, from a rubber grommet around the interior lock knob, to increased sound proofing between the door trim and door skin, to a rubber sealing gasket around the door check strap, these can all stay on the E28 doors, or can easily be incorporated into E12 doors

 The photos below show the inner skins on the E12 and E28 for direct comparisons

 

An E28 Near Side Rear Door

       

 

The following 2 rubber grommets are new to the E28 but can be easily swapped over to the E12, and I suspect that they will give better sound and wind proofing

   

 

Below are the same shots of the E12 Door

     

For reasons I can not really begin to understand, the E12 door seems to have been punched for all the E28 fitments, even though these doors were obviously made earlier, to the point where there are even blanking grommets fitted for the central door lock solenoids for the E28.

I cannot decide if perhaps later E12 replacement doors were based on the E28 doors, or whether BMW were experimenting early on with different set ups.

You can see what I mean below on the E12 Door

 Although I have also noticed that E28's have a wide and thick sealer on the inner crimped seam of the door skin, most E12's do not have this, but some doors and wings that I have seen recently do, again I think that these E12 doors and wings with the thick sealer on, have been later replacement parts.   But this means that the E12 door as shown above, has all the E28 holes and pressings but not the E28 seam sealer, all very strange, can anyone shed any light on this matter

The front doors are much the same story, I have shown side by side photos for a better comparison

Note also the E12 doors pictured have manually operated windows, while the E28 ones pictured are electrically operated

 

 

I hope that this helps to answer a few questions, and soon I hope to see if I can then modify an E28 window frame to accept an E12 trim surround